Tuesday, August 08, 2006

Generation ... ME ?@!#

I don't like people my age. When people attack the youth of America I often go well I hate em too. The malla ttending over privileged bastards piss me off to.

I want to say this upfront. Or more directly I don't like the people being represented as people my age.

I just finished a book called Generation ME by Judith M Twenge and it is supposed to be a response to the ideas that this generation which she hyper extends ( I talked about this with Belledame who I met YEAH) and contends that we are lazy entitled blah blah blee.

Well considering the scope of the folks they are talking about middle to increasingly high income college educated white kids and their assimilating cohorts. We are more likely to cheat,lie, expect random shit to be given to us.....

Oh wait they ain't talking bout me . I'll be over here with with those of us who aren't that and also aren't eager to assimilate to that . Shit their not even talking about those of us who arent that politically incline but just don't expect the world handed to us on a platter.

EL 's post on The View got me thinking about the effect of generational identification ( She's young and BW was a dotty old condescening woman because she was young) versus the personal ( OH MY GOD I WANT HER SHUT UP).

I agree with EL's asessment that some feminist bloggers and this is not isolated to youth but sex,sexuality,race, and other criteria say women and mean women like me .

The generational studies and female studies and theory discussions however consistently highlight my NON membership ( and of tacit EXCLUSION) from any kind of debate on these issues. When Hasselbeck went shakey crying ab out the rights of the baby she flaunted a couple privileges ( class race, belief of some security from sexual harm,use of a public forum , and yes her youth and inexperience ) that allow her to make these statements. SO to me it was watching two very privileged idiots have the conversations that usually results when privbiliged people get together.

When Politt says "featherheads" in regards to young women and many young women don;t run out to agree , I think it's not jut the " women like me" complex talking.

Sitting in a class having watched our survey results compiled I found out some disturbing shit . Sixty seven percent of these women believed abortion was bad and should be stringently regulated that number fell to 33 percent when it became THEIR problem. In essence one third of my highly educated class didn't give a damn about the rights part of the equation as much as about the " saving my own ass'. The same girls that gave shit a bout TAKE BACK THE NIGHT and choice bake sales and sat on their hands wanted and expected that right available to them should they deign it necessary.

Their inaction and entitlement is narcisitic and disrespectful . It's not a function of lack of acess or knowledge . They are selfish assholes and said as much. This kind of thing makes me think featherhead is one of thekinder things they could be called.

When Twenge talks about selfesteem she makes apoint I can identify with that many kids are being taught that you are great no matter what you do.

My contention is that while ALL of the generation was TOLD this not all of us receive the reenforcement. The girls in my class aren't once challenged for their inherent contradiction in terms. When Hasselbeck throws a damn fit even if it's condescending she gets addressed.

Class privilege and recognition of play space ( space where you can be incomplete or off an not receive soul crushing or legal response) is parsed out very differently. Those girls got to have the space of both being morally superior but scientifically protected.

They are granted all the space in the world to fuck do dumb shit and WITHOUT FAIL someone will regard their mistakes as " youthful folly" or "young indiscretion. That same person will take basically the SAME ANTICS from a person of lower class/ or different race and pathologize the ever living fuck out of them.

The fact that their young suddenly become moot to the fact that their poor/black/latina/indigenous /LGBT/orphaned/Underserved by social services.

And frankly yes some of this is straight up jealousy and bitterness. I like biterness it lets me know when I'm being poisoned.

Why does the loss of a middle class white girl receive multiple days of Front page coverage , while the loss of a black girl only become above the fold if attached to the story. So they can drum up an epidemic of young disappearances ?

Why does Oprah have to partner with Time before somebody investigates why a whole lot of kids ( mostly poor white and rural) arent graduating?

We're not good enough for concern?

However the fact that the middle and upperclass have made a career of cross genrational consumption suddenly wont be able to suck up as much resources as the generation befor e them is the cause for national hand wringing?

Especially since they themselves cant be bothered to deselect from an IPOD to figureout why?

Meanwhile an entire section of the population who are being factored out of the college equation or must attend doing damn near feats of magic to survive is okay and has been okay for YEARS NOW?!

That same population meanwhile is making huge strides in taking care of our own shit . Ignoring the dire predictions of doom and gloom , and rather than ask why is it that we suceed its more important to find out why Suzy and them are failing despite having everything.

Frankly callit my bad mood but I don't give a shit.

This made sense to me but it also pissed me the fuck off. Why because of this and I wiill say it and quote me.

NO MOVEMENT WILL GET OFF THE GROUND NONE WITHOUT THE PARTICIPATION AND ACTIVE RECRUITMENT OF AFRICAN/AFRO CARRIBEAN/LATINO/ASIAN AMERICAN YOUTH.

IT WILL NOT MAKE IT PAST THE GATE IF IT DOESNT OPENLY CONTACT THE POOR.

And for the most part we're no longer apathetic as is being bemoaned about the Great White Hypes of my generation.

WE ACTIVELY AVOID YOU.

Years of cultural appropriation and benevolent condescnsion and dismissial have resulted in an attitude of we'll do this shit ourselves thank you.

I protested in college and there is little chance you'll get me to do it again.

We gave up , when we want to save the kids we go teach,we volunteer. We go to the soup kitchens and the churches, the blogs and the writings and the documentation.

We've been doing it ourselves and while people keep playing wring the hands at random crap we continue.

What you are watching is not the fall of movements as much as they'd like to call it that. What you're watching is the fact that the historically strong voices that received no credit ,Women of color, the poor, the cross class identifiers are faling away from mainstream movements . We don't fucking care anymore and whoops you'renot as strong as you thought youd be without us.

But hey we matter less than liars cheats and out right assholes lkong as they fit the right demographic.

21 comments:

Bitch | Lab said...

"I like biterness it lets me know when I'm being poisoned."


That is going to be the second quote from you that's going in the rotating Bitch quote file this weekend!

Thanks so much for this. I should make myself read it because, I think I told you once, I feel very protective of my gang of kids that I love. they are mostly boys, but then there are the young women who I don't have a nickname for. And they are my other daughters through and through.

and I can't stand it when they get dissed by people who don't know their lives. And then i turn this around, extrapolating from them to all young women especially, feeling protective of them when they are called featherheads. I don't know them or their lives, but they are young people and they are so astonishingly brilliant and wonderful, the ones I know, my heart hurts to read the stuff.

I'm blubbering thinking about it. such an ass.

*sigh*

Anyway, I should read this because, wow!, i'd read that abortion survey and I about fell off my chair that so many college students are opposed to abortion. But holy hell. They aren't when it comes to them.

What is going on!?

I need to read the book huh?

EL said...

I like this post a lot and relate to it a lot, actually. I don't know how much you get over to my blog, but class bitterness should have its own section ( as Bitch knows all too well).

I think you're right that I was only pointing to one small element that was going on. To be perfectly honest, I wanted to, without naming names, identify some particular feminist bloggers whom I believe use other women, of whom they pretend to be supportive, in order to prop themselves up as better than. The same bloggers that hated on what's-her-name on The View often condescend to any woman that's not just like them, privileged or not, in order to shore up their own privilege. I get sick and tired of it.

I also don't really believe in generational truths, just generational solidarity AGAINST generational stereotypes. That's as far as it goes. I don't hate my own generation, even though we've certainly got our share of asshats. I just hate the asshats themselves. And, as is often the case, most of them are spoiled brats with entitlement coming out of every orifice.

Blackamazon said...

It wasn't astudy it was a class survey from my sexology class I should try and get it for you if I still have aces sbut yeah its been duplicated in other places people are very selective about rights . THese young women arent the same ones you love and it sucks

Blackamazon said...

You know El I thought as much , that you were beng polite and I did agree with that much but I think I'm ion a reall bad palce right now class wise. It's getting offensively bad and I'm upset about it that it gets glosse dover that the generation going to hell has been long time non generational. Were more class oriented


Bitch youre not an ass but its strange that the young women you want to defend are so seperate in alot of ways form the one s that are being talked about . Its part of teh reason i get so hedgey and not clear ( I think) when we talk about sex positivism and sex choices and teh like.

I'm ofr it I am but on one hand I'm fighting for stuff that only these girls really get to use and then theyll turn it around and use it against girls I truly care about ( So what i suck cock at least I'm not a whore like her she's poor white trash or ghetto slut). While I know I w dont want to throw out the baby with the bathwater I'm tired of it being focused on girls men and women who honestly dont give a fuck and when they do its to be asswholes

IF im make sense

Bitch | Lab said...

oh, I know what you mean BA.

well, I think it's like this. you know how you said that the survey showed that women were opposed to abortion in general, but when it came to themselves... as you said, their problem is that can't extrapolate beyond their own experience.

I'm doing the reverse, I have my kids and I see 'em up close and personal in all their complexity, and I extend taht respect for them outward to all the other folks I don't know. I know that they are different my 'other kids' - they are mostly all from poor white backgrounds, latino/a, black. but I can't help but think that, if they get treated as a group and streated a certain way, in spite of their individuality, I find it hard to extend that to those I don't know. it feels like stereotyping and prejdudice -- in the sense of pre-judging them.

both have its dangers, I s'pose. which is why I must expose myself to a different view - for a little balance.


I think part of it, too, is that I taught at four very elite liberal arts colleges.

i know exactly how they treated the students of color and the poor white students and, indeed, anyone on campus who was different. I remember the way the students of color would hang out in my office. I was the only person on campus who understood anything at all. and even then I was quite different. But that was what they could cling to. Very small rural campuses, these were.


And I do remember how they behaved -- re cheating. Boy, some of thse very rich kids pulled some stunts that were, point blank, simply astonishing in the degree to which they had to have thought I was just a stupid ass! BA! They would plagiarize my study notes and try to pass them off as their paper! LOL

Their parents weren't any better. When a bunch of us had to fail students or give them really poor grads over cheating ad plagiarism, their parents actually lobbied to insist that we simply had NO right.

And then I saw the move to what they euphemistically called the "student centered university". We were supposed to care more about the students. What it really turned out to be was that we catered to them as consumers. Students' parents pay, we give them As and Bs.

And yes I did get really angry all the time. Because I also taught night school and at working class campuses. And I saw how those kids busted their ass. I saw people who juggled two jobs and shool and kids and all kinds of hell, and they showed up for class and did their work.

And then I'd go teach at the elite campus and I'd have someone tell me that she couldn't make it to class because, over break, she'd had to stay in a motel 6 instead of the hyatt and she needed to go to therapy.

OK. I exagerrate!

but I was so pissed once, I wrote a mockery of Miss Manners, to let off steam. In it I included Miss Manners' guide to dealing with privileged little fuckwits --which included dealing with privilege faculty fuckwits more than twice their age! :)

I don't know but I never identify this with bitterness. More like damn, if you guys want to blow this education like this, why don't you drop out and send the money to people who want to be here!

I think I don't get bitter becuse I explain it in structural terms. I don't see the probelm as one that can be solved at the indiividual level. If that makes any sense.

But you know, I think the criticism of this is that I'm letting them off the hook, by not expecting some individual responsibility.

Bitch | Lab said...

i also wanted to tell you about this and I wish I had the data, but my relationship with the person who actually collected it is -- not so good.

i worked for this guy who did a game that was meant to teach people about ethics -- on the internet.

it was modeled after survivor. guess what happened, time after time, as he went across the country playing this game?

At all the middle and upper-middle class suburban schools, the people who got voted off the island were people who wouldn't cheat.

the people who were left standing were the biggest liars and cheaters.

guess where that didn't happen? in schools that were poor and working class and in urban and rural areas.

gah!

Blackamazon said...

See I was one of those kids in your office. I was also not integrated into this envoronment until AFTER i was a 7th grader so I had for the most part my very " low class" morals ( like don't lie dont cheat dont steal unles syou need to) locked in.

I heard someone screw a paper dead lien because they didn't want to miss fahsion week in milan.

The person they shafted over an d over was in many respects ME. My college tution made me take out 40 grand in loans my family has yet to crack 25 grand.

We were called hsit loads of names while advocating female sexual knowledge just so they could stagger out of bars drunk as shit.

I feel it very personally , because once going through it adn d watching the analysis the message is thetwhatever happens you dont matter as much as Szuy ann wether she does well or bad.

In a lot of ways its about FOR once can someon prefer to hear our stories our lives and work on them than give these peopel even more evidence their the center of teh known universe .

ANd in a way we found out it had to be us . And after all of that sometimes its hard to try and give ashit again.

Oh wow youre discovering hiphop/sex positivism/ teh detriments of shit weve been talking about for YEARS?!?!

SOrry I really don't care and more importantly why should i when you so richly get the life you deserve. So for me it exists on a purely emotional level in amny ways . I'm still so oyoung and freshly wounded about it

Bitch | Lab said...

oh. yep. i think I told belledame once that sometimes the turn toward theory is a defense mechanism for me.

because, while it's obviously not the same thing, and I was thirty and had already seen it, there was some i hadn't seen.

what i mean is, I can remember the day, the snow falling outside in a blizzard, the bleak sun shining throught the windows, and i was teaching a course on sociology of work. I stood there with women studying to be museum curators and the like telling me all about the white trash and hicks in town. they had an entire taxonomy of how ugly their bodies bodies were, how awful their clothes were, how stupid their cars, and music.

they even said there was a difference in the kinds of food people ate depending on if they were hicks or trash.

and then they said something about how shopping at JC Penny's was so low class.

They were talking about me! My family! I realized: they walked around thinking that about me.

I knew this in the abstract, but I didn't know.

the next adjunct job I interviewed for, I got a very similar discussion while I was eating a fancy pants lunch over the interview. Fromt he faculty!

I found a way to excuse myself to go to the restoom and stare at myself in the mirror and think how ugly I looked. How could I have thought I looked nice when I left for the interview. I was ugly. And I thought, I should just slip out and forget the job and forget it all. I was an ugly dirty thing that didn't belong with these people. And if I were to stay there, they were going to make me renounce the fact that I had been this dirty ugly thing. I had to give up all my values, because over and over I was told that those values were what kept me down in the gutter where I lived.

They wanted me to kill me to be there.

I am not sure how I got beyond all that. I think I was just too freakin busy. And it's easy to forget it all because i don't have to deal with permanence: it's not my skin color or hair.

I really could move on and be one of them. I would never be forever marked. Only on the inside, which you can hide if you choose. Well, there's not choice. You must hide it.

belledame222 said...

listening.

Blackamazon said...

Sadly I know those convos and also know the ones I wasnt supposed to here. Today watching teh terrorist bombing " plot foil" I think it comes back again that nihilism and destruction for many of us teh poor the brown the not Western the unloved has become a much more welcoming option.

And for all the " desire" peopel miss actually asking why did w ego so far why is it we are so disillusioned.

My generation seems happily ahistorical and without consequence while those of us who dont have the tag have this WEIGHT of history on us , it's coming to a head . We ( as in the privileged and non privileged ) have Gotte n the message and were doing iwth it what we will positive and negative but so much time has been spent ignoring or marginalizing that our positives and negatives not only don't match but are directly counter.
To teh point that some kids have so little they would ratehr destroy themselves ( ask your resident meth head) just to have something they feel they can control.

ANd when you see piece after piece after piece about how did we grow tucker max or why are our girls idiots ( I'm of course being hyperbolic) I'm jsut shocke d at how suprised folks are that kids and people of character don't stand up . SOmetimes getting through the day is hard enough

Bitch | Lab said...

" To teh point that some kids have so little they would ratehr destroy themselves ( ask your resident meth head) just to have something they feel they can control. "

I think this is an excellent way of putting it -- and it can apply to so many things. I've seen people deal with the chaos by turning to their body in an attempt to control it through obsessive exercise and compulsive dieting. there are ways people can appear to be engage din healthy activities that are really often unhealthy ways of dealing with lives that feel out of control.

Changeseeker said...

I'm going to link to this, Blackamazon. I think you've said some important stuff here and even the comments thread is dead on it. I started to copy into my comment some of my favorite lines and it got so long, I decided to just cosign the whole thing. Thanks.

Peacechick Mary said...

Changeseeker sent me and I'm glad I came. Yell, scream, shout and keep on doing what you are doing. For this world to survive, we must hear your voices and turn this thing around. Maybe not in my lifetime, but someday.. Thanks to you.

Professor Zero said...

This is very interesting. I teach at a university and I am in my mid forties. I notice that my students have many more material possessions, and (apparently) less well thought out beliefs than I did at their age, but I also notice that their lives are far more difficult in other ways than mine was, and that they are mature in ways that I was not (and sometimes, that I still am not). One huge difference was, I went to a top notch state university (a 'public ivy') and tuition was $600 a year. And being a registered student at that school had a lot of benefits. $600 a year, even adjusted for inflation and all, that was cheap. I could cite further examples.

My parents, born in the 1920s, are convinced that their lives were the hardest of all, because they went through the Depression and World War II. What I notice, though, is that those things were over by the time they were young adults, and economically at least, it was much easier to get established in, say, the 1950s, than it became after 1980.

It was in the early to mid 1980s in this country that I noticed life starting to get really tough, especially for younger people.

At least these are my current thoughts on the matter--I am sure it is more complicated than that.

nonwhiteperson said...

NO MOVEMENT WILL GET OFF THE GROUND NONE WITHOUT THE PARTICIPATION AND ACTIVE RECRUITMENT OF AFRICAN/AFRO CARRIBEAN/LATINO/ASIAN AMERICAN YOUTH.

IT WILL NOT MAKE IT PAST THE GATE IF IT DOESNT OPENLY CONTACT THE POOR.


Just to reiterate!!!!!

Blackamazon said...

Proff Zero I agree that in teh 80' s ( while I wasn't around for most of it) it was harder . For my experience yes we have and often ( need) more material goods and we also have less thought out beliefs but whats happened taht is so drastic in my time is the stratification

Those that have it well are obscenely privileged . I went to an Ivy and you had almost no "middle" ground . You were either partying ,drinking free time having out your ass or juggling two or three jobs and a fourth on the side . trying to get out in three years so senior year fees wouldnt kill you

The kids with teh room have been molly coddled and deferred to all their lives. The kids doing the juggling are often waiting to find out when we ll get caught ass out.


Meanwhile people are touting teh sophistication and depth of this new generation and tacitly oking the narcisism of a small as section. It's across politics and borders.

For many of my peers it seems like NOTHING is required of these people if they start at a certain place and learn how to keep there . And thatplace is getting higher and harder and they are content to drink it away.

Blackamazon said...

Thanks for the link changeseeker

betmo said...

wow. i found myself saying 'yeah- right on' more than once. i have been thinking many of the things that you have articulated but you said them so well. thank you. you are so right.

Professor Zero said...

Stratification and polarization, yes.
I am still studying this post. Here is one paragraph I particularly like:

Class privilege and recognition of play space (space where you can be incomplete or off an not receive soul crushing or legal response) is parsed out very differently. Those girls got to have the space of both being morally superior but scientifically protected.

glenda said...

wow. thanks.
just can't talk right now.

vegankid said...

seriously, blackamazon, do you ever stop being amazing? if so, i haven't seen it. and i may have to steal that quote, too, and put it in my rotating quote file:)